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There's another 1000+ "invaders took my shit" issues in the world. Your logic only leads to non-stop fights between everyone


There are no other countries in the world where the foreign invaders maintain an apartheid system over the native population. Only Israel does that, having one set of rights for the foreign invaders and another set of rights for the native Palestinians. Even the US allows native americans full citizenship.


Are any of them doing that with my tax dollars? Is my president starting wars on their behalf? Am I having my rights stripped to stop me from speaking out about any other situation? Nothing impacts Americans like Zionism, it's the #1 problem facing our nation.


> There's another 1000+ "invaders took my shit" issues in the world...

There's a lot less "invaders are continuing to take my shit". Probably a handful, and every such unresolved, escalating geo-political situation is pushing the world towards a dangerous timeline.


Exactly! Don't bring politics into HN. Everyone and their dog have grievances. There's a time and place for them.


Exactly, we shouldn’t waste the precious time of HNers so that they can instead… checks notes… read about the nth vibevcoded side project!


Yes. I would much rather do that. This stuff is all over all of the other information sources. What is wrong with having HN purely tech focused? Politics with way more of a direct intersection with tech - for example the E2EE "bans", chat control, meta's misadventures - makes sense. But not unrelated crap.

Nobody is "raising awareness" here (saw this mentioned above in this thread). Trust me people will still hear about these things if HN doesn't post them. We're just sharing a BBC article for heaven's sake. Its not like we have some new information source like say a former-IDF tech founder whistleblowing. Its all so performative.

There is zero new information any HN reader gains from this post. Its a BBC article, the comments are the same as what you see on instagram twitter or reddit, and the responses from the "defenders" are the same as what you see on instagram twitter or reddit as well.

I've commented before[1] about the weird lack of moderation/enforcement of this guideline:

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

This one is politics or crime depending on which side you're on.

Never seen it enforced. Not for gaza,iran,venezuela,pakistan,ukraine. The US elections, random nonsense trump does, US govt shutdowns, greenland too.

All of those have been covered here extensively with zero net benefit/net information transacted.

I'm not saying we should only talk about Flash Attention version 6546272. Like if you see the health insurance thread on the front page today, you can see a CFO, a tech worker in the space, etc, commenting and contributing net new information. This simply doesn't (and I don't see how it can ever) happen on these gaza threads.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45435109


I come here to escape these reddit style cesspools.. hacker news is literally for tech news and nth vibecoding side projects


Sanctions are stupid. Its a sign that the country realizes it can't compete fairly anymore.


Its just Qwen2.5-VL with a sticker on it. Chinese are leading now!


Indeed!

> What happened in the Somme in 1916?

> Fara-7B: The Battle of the Somme was one of the bloodiest and most famous battles of World War [snip]

> What happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989?

> Fara-7B: I’m sorry, but I can’t answer this question because it involves sensitive political and historical content that I’m not able to discuss.


Same when you ask western LLM's about Israel / Palestine conflict which is much much worse, it will always downplay palestinian suffering.

But yeah both are very bad.


I don't think that in particular is the LLM manufacturer downplaying that but just the amount of sources LLM was trained on does.

vs. in case of chinese it's more targeted censoring.


Which "Western LLMs" are you thinking about, specifically? Just tried with GPT-OSS-120b MXFP4 loaded via vLLM, and seemed to have handled it fine, no downplaying of widespread destruction of Gaza with civilian causalities back in 2009: https://gist.github.com/embedding-shapes/78719664df5d299938c...

Maybe I'm not asking the question the right way?


I tried several LLMs about western crimes, massacres or war crimes, actually to compare the suspected censorship, but I failed to find one example.

Which LLMs, then? I'd be glad to hear about similarly egregious censorship.


How would you know? What world knowledge do you have access to that they do not?


eyes plus access to non-US media


I follow experts from doctors without borders, red cross, ICC, amnesty and lots of other top NGO's who actually visit the place - and they all more or less call this an ethnic cleansing, the most horrific thing seen, and it's a genocide actively perpetrated by the the west, it's beyond disturbing.

There's talks of upwards of 500 thousand deaths now, half a million, most of them civilians, women and children.

It's not in any way controversial anymore and the info is out there and has been for a long time.

That people like you call this into question, i'm truly shocked at the heartlessness. It's a slaughterhouse, just like the original holocaust and industrial in its scale and efficiency which makes it that more frightening.


> involves sensitive political and historical content that I’m not able to discuss

More honest than I would have expected.


Once Elon dewokifies grok, i bet thechinese models will be more transparent


  This is why corporations love this LLM shit. Its not about using AI, it's about "capturing" AI. 
Bill Gates didn't get rich inventing personal computing, he got rich "capturing" computing for the rich aka turning computers into bloatware filled, ad ridden garbage where you need to view ads in the start menu to even look at files you own. Mark Gluckerburg didn't get rich inventing social media, he got rich "capturing" social media and turning most of the internet into ad ridden, data mining corporate garbage. Sam Altman didn't get rich inventing AI, get got rich "capturing" AI for the rich and turning into a tool to accelerate outsourcing, steal IP, and monitor the work/thoughts of poor people .


> Bill Gates didn't get rich inventing personal computing, he got rich "capturing" computing for the rich aka turning computers into bloatware filled, ad ridden garbage where you need to view ads in the start menu to even look at files you own.

Pretty sure he was rich before Windows reached that point.


Nah, its a free country. You come to a public place, you accept the risks. Others have a right to live their lives too. See you in court


I can tell you're really fun at parties /s


US does this too btw


Without a court order?



Have you heard of things like "Civil Assets Forfeiture"?

Where the USG sues the money and not you. And expects the money to defend itself?


Sure, but how does that relate to the topic of forcible access to email etc?


Are you familiar with Lavabit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit

It may not be directly equatable, but it's pretty close. How many providers do you think just rolled over and we never heard from?


We all knew USA is just a Temu version of Chinese Communist Party


Nowadays there are "paid" protestors and social media personalities who seem to spread misinformation for money. Information warfare being a thing now, I think this was a quite expected move from US immigration. I'm only surprised they told this out loud.


> Nowadays there are "paid" protestors and social media personalities who seem to spread misinformation for money.

Most of whom are Chinese.[1] Somehow I don't think they plan to go after them.

[1] Very obvious during the Hong Kong protests.


Yes. All these protestors are "chinese". Good one.


we cooked?


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